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Pope Benedict Argues Catholic Church 'Purified' Indigenous Peoples

By David A. Love, The Black Commentator. Posted June 18, 2007.


During his recent trip to Latin America, Pope Benedict XVI offended millions when he arrogantly suggested that Catholicism had purified indigenous populations, and called the resurgence of indigenous religions a step backward.
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During his recent trip to Latin America, Pope Benedict XVI offended millions when he arrogantly suggested that Catholicism had purified indigenous populations, and called the resurgence of indigenous religions a step backward. He also said the native populations were longing for Christianity, and had welcomed the Catholic priests at the time of European conquest.

He tried to clean it up afterwards by noting the, "sufferings and injustices inflicted by the colonizers on the indigenous populations whose human and basic rights often were trampled," but the damage was done.

The Pope seems to have selective amnesia when it comes to the Church and its horrendous history of human rights disasters against people of color. This happens at a time when Catholicism is becoming an increasingly southern religion and an increasingly brown religion. Roughly half of Catholics are in Latin America. Not only is the Pope out of step with the needs and everyday realities of the Third World, he is not speaking their language, and not owning up to the sins of the past.

Religious institutions have excused, aided and abetted crimes throughout history. Indeed, the church has much to atone for. There are three bulls (edicts, or executive orders, if you will) issued by the Papacy with which we should concern ourselves. The Dum Diversas, issued by Pope Nicholas V in 1452, authorized King Alfonso V of Portugal to reduce any "Saracens (Muslims) and pagans and any other unbelievers" to perpetual slavery, thereby ushering in the West African slave trade.

The Romanus Pontifex, also issued by Pope Nicholas V in 1455, sanctioned the seizure of non-Christian lands, and encouraged the enslavement of non-Christian people in Africa and the Americas. Specifically, it gave the green light to "invade, search out, capture, vanquish, and subdue all Saracens and pagans whatsoever, and other enemies of Christ wheresoever placed," all for profit, and in the name of Jesus Christ.

The Inter Caetera, signed by Pope Alexander VI in 1493, states, "... we (the Papacy) command you (Spain) ... to instruct the aforesaid inhabitants and residents and dwellers therein in the Catholic faith, and train them in good morals." This papal law sanctioned and paved the way for European colonization and Catholic missions in the New World.

These three edicts opened the floodgates for everything that followed, the raping, pillaging, kidnapping, genocide and enslavement of millions. They established the groundwork for the global slave trade of the 15th and 16th centuries, and the Age of Imperialism. Speaking of organized crime, at this time I'm reminded of a famous line from the movie The Godfather, referring to the drug trade: "In my city, we'd keep the traffic in the Dark People, the Coloreds -- they're animals anyway, so let them lose their souls."

Despite the changing color of the church, there has been no pope from outside Europe in centuries, since the days of the African popes. And today, the current pope seems to want to perpetuate the paternalism and the racism of the past. The church is behind the times and out of step with the modern world and the needs of the poor. Its unhealthy view toward sexuality has destroyed the innocence of youth, through child abuse scandals. Its homophobia is callous and hypocritical. And its condemnation of reproductive freedom and contraception -- stemming from a vow of celibacy for priests and nuns that had more to do with preventing clergy from having heirs who would inherit church property, and less to do with spirituality -- is irresponsible, in light of the AIDS epidemic in Africa, home to the lion's share of AIDS cases.


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Black Commentator Columnist David A. Love is an attorney based in Philadelphia, and a contributor to the Progressive Media Project and McClatchy-Tribune News Service. He contributed to the book, States of Confinement: Policing, Detention and Prisons (St. Martin's Press, 2000).

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Can someone please explain
Posted by: algodees on Jun 18, 2007 1:21 AM   
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how slavery, infestation, thievery and murder are purifying? I'm confused. So is the Pope.

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» RE: Can someone please explain Posted by: Mr. Terrific
» Still figuring out the typo: "Bendedict"? Posted by: karma_ran_over_dogma
Another belief system gone wrong.
Posted by: HughScott on Jun 18, 2007 2:03 AM   
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Last week on AlterNet, I bashed atheists for believing an unprovable -- that God doesn’t exist. Now it’s the Pope’s turn in the barrel.

Before sanctimoniously declaring Catholicism the end of all ills, Benedict XVI must prove himself to be more than a mere mortal.

He can’t, of course, which makes him more dangerous than any atheist could be, no matter how powerful his or her position.

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» You "bashed" atheists? Posted by: justaguy
» RE: Another belief system gone wrong. Posted by: TheNamelessCity
They don't call him the Panzer Pope for nothing.
Posted by: justaguy on Jun 18, 2007 2:30 AM   
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He got to the top by bulldozing his way through the heirarchy of the vatican by fair means or foul. He was in charge of resisting paedophilia claims against the church, so how much dirt would he have had?

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The South American religions were incredibly brutal and bloody
Posted by: UnEasyOne on Jun 18, 2007 3:56 AM   
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It was therefore necessary to kill and enslave millions of em to bring em to Jesus...right?

Catholicism has much to answer for - but so do most organized religions. "God" has been the pretext and excuse for more mass murder than any other cause. Praise Jesus! And Abraham and Mohammad.

Anybody who believes that god has given them the right to kill is a barbaric asshole. Anybody who brushes aside or justifies that idiocy is just as bad.

I have some problems with Abraham but if he actually existed and did what he was said to have done, he did one truly great thing - he spread the word that god did not require (or even want) human sacrifice. It was a start.

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hey Palpatine
Posted by: schnoggi on Jun 18, 2007 5:13 AM   
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I'm on my way to the store, can I pick up anything for you?
how about some nice sturdy rope? I want to make sure you have enough. make sure you tie that noose good and sturdy, I can show you how if you want, just here to help.

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Pope's comments not surprising.
Posted by: wisegalah on Jun 18, 2007 5:40 AM   
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He is a weak and frightened man who was driven into a conservative position by the free opinions of others. He needs a structure to support him in his weakness. That is why he has been such a stalwart defender of Catholic orthodoxy.
It is also the reason why he is able to make such offensive claims in South America. He in incapable of understanding any other way of living or thinking because he has built his whole persona and career on it. To accept any other perspective would threaten his whole personal and public life.
He is too a man of extremely limited experience of life in its many forms. He has been cocooned within the embrace of an all-encompassing organisation which has met his every need for well over sixty years.
He is incapable of being other than a supporter of and supported by the catholic church. It is a codependent relationship.

He is said to be a deep intellectual. A great theologian. Is it realistic to attach such the labels of 'great' and 'intellectual 'to someone who is clever in the processes of logic chopping of debased texts like the Bible, etc.

Wisegalah in Sydney.

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Anthropologist - retired
Posted by: Duff on Jun 18, 2007 5:59 AM   
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The POPE really needs better advisers or education. One adjustment that indigenous people made to Catholicism was "COMPARTMENTALIZATION" This is where the individual can believe ferverently in both religions at the same time. It is like covering all your bases. Contradictions are ignored. Many examples of this exist. Living here in the southwestern United States are the Pueblo tribes. They were impacted by the Spanish conquistadors and their priests in lthe 1500's. Overtly the puebloans practice Christianity but also maintained their kivas and their traditonal religions. So the POPE is incorrect in his belief that the indigenous people surrendered their religions to take up Catholicism. They are expressing their beliefs today as they did in the past and for some reason, the POPE has just become aware of it.

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Look a Little Deeper
Posted by: stephenbuhner on Jun 18, 2007 6:22 AM   
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The current pope, it is little known, was a member of the nazi party and was for much of his life head of the inquisition of the catholic church. yes, it still exists though the name is less unpleasant these days. there is little surprise in his statements, nor that the church, like many governments in our time, is moving to the right.

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Yes...
Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Jun 18, 2007 6:27 AM   
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purifying them.... of their natural resources and ancestral lands... thier gold... anything they had that would be worth money or was money to arrogant white monsters from Europe.... and they are doing it to this very day.

Missionaries are still there... and still doing the same thing... forcing people off their land and into disgusting poverty in slums and shantytowns working knowingly as a force clearing the land for large mining concerns to take it and rape it for profit.

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» RE: Yes... Posted by: Sushi
» RE: Yes... Posted by: tjg1984
Purifying?!
Posted by: Gisele on Jun 18, 2007 7:44 AM   
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In order to purify something one has to make the assumption that it isn't already pure..or clean. In all the texts and articles I've read about the North American Native way of life, the Catholic church can only dream of being so pure! There has never been a "religion" so hell bent on the destruction of anything, and everyone - that gets in the way of it's path to wealth and total control. Nor, if you are a believer in God and his word...has there ever been a religion so damaging to their own followers.

Until the Catholic church (and its near relatives the United and Anglican churches) atones for its own sexual abuse of children, until they open the doors to the past and admit to the crimes against the innocent children they held in their residential schools and orphanages - there is absolutely nothing they can say about the morality of the world around them. At least nothing that an intelligent person would listen to.

When a non-believer reads these stories, when they dig for the truth (though it doesn't take much to find it)...it's no wonder that so many are turned away from religion. That's a good thing though - "religion" will kill you. Unfortunately, all believers are clumped together - rather the same as all atheists. There is no longer room for each of us to find our own truth, or to share our findings and beliefs.

Jesus weeps....Lucifer laughs.

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» RE: Purifying?! Posted by: aonghus36
» RE: Purifying?! Posted by: westward
The Pope Needs a Ceremony
Posted by: StuartH on Jun 18, 2007 7:49 AM   
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Here in the Southwestern US, traditional spiritual practices
are still strong.

For instance, the Navajo families hold a late fall ceremony
called the Yei Bi Chei. The chief outward sign of this is the
family members that gather from literally everywhere. You
see a field where a couple of hundred pickup trucks are
idling, so that people can get warm for a few minutes at a
time. I went to one on a Christmas Eve, when it was about
fifteen degrees.

The ceremony, in its most traditional form takes nine days
and nights. Inside a specially built ceremonial hogan, a log
house constructed with eight sides, the medicine man sings
a series of long and complex songs throughout the entire
ceremony, and creates a sand painting.

Outside, a line of dancers impersonate the Yei, spiritual
beings who are still around from the creation time. At
some point towards the end of the nine days, the theory
of it is that the dancers are incarnated by the actual
spirits who bless everyone present.

Missionaries or every Christian faith have been attempting
to stomp this practice out ever since the Cavalry pulled
out in 1868.

The observation one can make is that the combined effect
of the boarding schools which were focused on extinguishing
the culture and language, and missionary efforts to get rid
of ancient spritual insights, was really to impoverish family
connections and reduce the hope of self detemination. That
period of time and those approaches were as destructive as
they were ignorant. Fortunately, there is a multi-faceted new
movement towards self determination through education on
Navajo terms. There also seems to be a resurgence of the
old lifeways and language.

The problem with European paternalism, as exemplified by
the Pope, is that it has absolutely no concept of how to give
value and respect to other cultures that are just as valid.

For centuries, people from Europe tended to see indigenous
societies as having no culture and no knowledge of any value.
This was a tragic blindness that has caused unbelievable
damage and tragedy on a scale that is staggering.

The only thing we can do about history is to understand it with
open eyes so that it might be possible to take new and more
enlightened directions.

I would say that this Pope has revealed that, if the Catholic
Church continues to embrace the fifteenth century view of
this hemisphere and of indigenous peoples, then it will be his
religion that will turn out to be irrelevant to the future.

For me, the global warming crisis and the eventual world
resource depletion against rising human population are
creating a situation for which the only answers are actually in
re-evaluating and re-valuing ancient indigenous philosophy
and worldviews in the light of current scientific inquiry.

It is about time that the conquistador mentality was put in the
museum.

The Pope should have a Blessingway Ceremony done for him.

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what do you expect from a racist?
Posted by: The Big Raven on Jun 18, 2007 7:56 AM   
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What do we expect from a racist organ like the catholic church? To hell with all the religions and burn that bible and koran and any other religous book you can find! They are good for rolling smokes or wiping my ass but for all the "good words" are only that and do not change the out of control whiterace one iota. I wish you would all go to your real homelands and take your sick childish religions with you!

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ANOTHER PAPAL BLOOPER
Posted by: VZEQICVA on Jun 18, 2007 8:15 AM   
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Not the first time. It's wrong to take a small segment of history out of context. Two thousand years can't be defined by any one thing that happened no matter what it is. It's not the first time. The Pope knows better. He should put what he says in perspective to begin with. Now he'll need two weeks to explain what he really meant. Much the same as the Muslim comment that rocked the world. Your Holiness, what ever happened to Peace on Earth? Thanks, ANNA

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dick
Posted by: rtmyth on Jun 18, 2007 8:21 AM   
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The pope prays for peace incessantly, but the gods ignore him.If the pope had the power, the inquisitions and burnings of all non-catholics would carried out daily.

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As if we needed more evidence...
Posted by: ShrubtheWarcriminal on Jun 18, 2007 9:10 AM   
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...that religion and the religious are the root of most evil.

This pope must get nocturnal emissions when he dreams about or wishes he could have been the pope during WWII . He surely would have done a better job of enabling the "cleansing" of Germany than "Pious" the XII.

One good thing about the Chimp regime, is that they brought the ugly head of religion to the surface for all to see in all its glory.

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» RE: But it is soooooo... Posted by: ShrubtheWarcriminal
Atheist churches
Posted by: willymack on Jun 18, 2007 9:27 AM   
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How many have you seen lately? How many atheists blast people for not following their un-belief? How many atheist missionaries have you come across lately? How many wars, pograms, and political disasters can be attributed to non-belief? How many people do you know who are getting a tax-free ride through life because they belong to a no god group? How much evidence do you have that atheists are attempting to corrupt the minds of our children, while there is an overabundance of evidence that established religions are doing just that? Atheists are THINKERS-you know-those folks who invented science, which has greatly benefitted the lot of humanity. As thinkers, they're largely immune to beliefs for which not a shred of evidence exists . Does that make them bad people, or merely sensible ones?

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» RE: Ahem. The Nazis were stong catholics. Posted by: discosheetsdance
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» RE: Atheist churches Posted by: imcnotu
Justice
Posted by: Xynyx on Jun 18, 2007 10:59 AM   
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"the Pope and other rusty, outdated institutions must get on the right side of justice, or find themselves relegated to the dustbin of history"

Personally, I'd prefer to see them relegated to the dustbin of history... so I'd like to say I kind of hope they don't learn. Unfortunately, such a fate may be delayed by the degree to which they remain successful at keeping their flocks from becoming sufficiently educated to recognize they are being fleeced.

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Christians, laugh
Posted by: ateo on Jun 18, 2007 11:34 AM   
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There really isn't much more to say on the subject than that.

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Is this about racism, or the Catholic Church?
Posted by: discosheetsdance on Jun 18, 2007 12:37 PM   
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Firstly, I would like to say that it was necessary to kill those millions of Latin Americans. For they were, too, savages, and if the catholics hadn't killed them, they would have been killed. That ordeal was really a question of who had more man power, and it just turned out that the catholics did. I am in no way implying that the way things were carried out was moral. It wasn't, and I do not condone it one bit. But I can guarantee you that if there wasn't a UN to stop it, it would still go on today, and not just by catholics, but by every religion.

However, I don't see how this all ties into rasicm, and I especially don't understand how having only 10 black bishops makes the Catholic Church a racist one. Its just apparent that there aren't many black Catholics, as most of them [to my understanding] have chosen lutheranism, baptist, or some other form of protestantism.

Non-Catholics are obviously perplexed by the strength of the Catholic Church, therefore make an emphasis on its scandals and criticism. Show me a church that hasn't had any scandal, or a religion that is just chalk full of people who are religiously perfect, and I will concede to you. Unfortunately, I know you can't.

Those conservative Christians who condemed the blacks in their struggles for equal rights, if you remember, were not catholics. The KKK was a Christian organization, who hated the Catholics, and burned their crosses.

I don't believe it is anyones right to deem any religion [as a whole] as a "bad" or "immoral" religion. Each religion has its share of crazed fanatics who do practice in immoral, or wrong ways, but I'd also like to point out that each religion has an even greater percentage of people who are good at heart, and it is unfortunate that other people in their religion may give them a bad reputation.

I recently witnessed a horrendous scam in which a man mislead naive people into believing that God will make them rich, if they gave him at least 65 dollars. And you know what? The man who was scamming these poor people was black; but does that make ALL black men corrupt scammers? It certainly does not. It just means that one person, out of many, has decided not to be a good, honest person.

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Mormon would argue... South American First Nations are the "New Jew"
Posted by: BlueBerry PickN on Jun 18, 2007 12:51 PM   
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seriously.
Ask the LDS? in spite of ANY DNA support & massive DNA bebunking of the claims...

the Mormon Church prosyletizes First Nations Peoples of Central & South America... to tell the Good News:
"you're the NEW JEW!"
THIS, coming from a Church of Evangelicals who think baptising Israelis or Jews into their Church is acceptable, whether the recipient is DEAD or not...

*heave*wretch*
US detention policies: interview with Former Army Chaplain James Yee
Cultists @ the Border... ?
kerygmatic mode: "Slouching towards Bethlehem"
DNA Databank: US government to set up DNA bank as law enforcement tool
DNA tracking: Horrifying new abortion legislation passed in South Dakota
BioPiracy: Indigenous Peoples Council on Biocolonialism

What should be our first & highest priority?
figuring out what the hell is this free-for-all on DNA (including any shithead who can figure out electrophoresis... )

& its creepy alliance with corporatized Government
"Black Jack Village": shiny new Military Prison Training facility for USA
think about a modernized, bizarre World where people grow up, feeling comfortable being constantly 'under surveillance'...
doesn't that make the Government a near-religious, omniscient & omnipotent protector?

who are we becoming??
Pain Ray as Crowd Control: Pentagon unveils new toy...


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The authoritarian Church vs. the sanctuary movement...
Posted by: thoughtcriminal on Jun 18, 2007 1:04 PM   
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Ever since the Catholic Church was founded, there has been a struggle between authoritarian elements who sought wealth and power and those who actually tried to follow 'the teachings of Jesus'.

Like most founders of the world's modern religions, Jesus got his start by opposing a cruel and ruthless imperial government - namely, the Roman Empire. This is a fact that has been buried by the modern organized religions, but Jesus was a nonviolent revolutionary who fought the Roman Empire.

The Church was itself taken over by the Roman Empire, or vice versa (a merger...) resulting in the European Dark Ages and a thousand years of tyranny that was only ended by the Renaissance. The Church shut down all learning, all science, all reason, in favor of totalitarian rule. Thankfully, the Arabs and others kept this knowledge alive - as in "Arabic numerals', algebra, economics - another fact that isn't widely taught in Catholic schools, or in Western schools in general.

The colonial expansion of European powers in search of booty and slaves was sanctioned by the Church, but only as long as they got their cut of the profits. This resulted in incredible corruption at the Vatican, and also spurred on the Protestant reform movement.

The Spaniards hid their real goals in the New World behind a screen of religious piety and claimed that they were on a mission to 'convert the poor heathens' and 'save their souls from Hell'. The modern version of this is Bush's quest to 'spread democracy in the Middle East'. In both cases, the real goal was to secure wealth, power and control of natural resources.

Thus, what you saw in the Middle Ages was brutal, genocidal colonialism hiding behind priests in white robes. Not all the priests found this acceptable, however, and several served as recorders of the atrocity of the Spaniards and other invaders, and fought for the rights of the local peoples.

More recently, there is the ongoing sanctuary movement, which began in response to the growth of US-sanctioned death squad activities in El Salvador and Guatemala in the 1980s, which resulted in a flood of illegal immigrants into the US from these countries. Today, there is something of a new sanctuary movement which is providing shelter to the economic refugees from Mexico from the agents of ICE, the modern American version of the Gestapo.

Thus, the Catholic Church is not some monolithic institution. On one side are the likes of Pope Pius XII, also known as "Hitler's Pope", who was know for his belief in authoritarian power centered on himself, and for his refusal to condemn the Holocaust or to intercede on the behalf of Old European Jews. On the other side are the likes of Archbishop Oscar Romero, who opposed the El Salvadoran US-backed death squads and was assassinated as a result.

So, what does the choice of Benedict as Pope say to the world about the internal workings of the Vatican? It seems to be moving back to the authoritarian vision of Pius XII, backed by such luminaries as billionaire Erik Prince, founder of Blackwater and a practicing Roman Catholic.

Prince is involved in something called the "Evangelical Catholic Alliance" or some such nonsense. They are trying to present the Mideast war as yet another crusade against the heathens, and are filling their pockets as they do so - and hey! they also do work providing security for Legatus Legionis Petraeus.

Time to go home, crusaders. People won't stand for another repeat of the same stupid pet tricks.

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Taking back God
Posted by: mercury613 on Jun 18, 2007 4:24 PM   
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The author hit it right on the nose when he mentioned “imperial religion.” This pope is dragging an already-archaic Catholic church back into the dark ages, aligning it with other conservative “Christians” who have taken God hostage to use as a weapon against people who don’t share their views.

Gay? You’re going to hell.
Use birth control? You’re a sinner.
Enjoying sex outside marriage? You’re going to hell.
Don’t go to church? Sinner.
Stuck in an abusive marriage? Too bad. If you get divorced and remarried, you’re going to hell.
Don’t believe in the same God they do? You can’t share in God’s love.

BULLSHIT.

It’s time we start taking back God.

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Brazilian Catholicism
Posted by: dkm on Jun 18, 2007 9:56 PM   
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Especially in Brazil, but also in the rest of Latin America, the Catholic Church has synchretized with the local religions, either the indigenous Indian religions or the ones brought by the slaves from Africa. Gods have been given saints' names, but their worship continues as if they were the original gods. The practices, especially in the rural areas, are noticeably derived from preColumbian religions. So in any case, Catholicism is hardly the pure Christianity that Pope Ratzinger would have you believe.

Then given the history of the Catholic Church in Latin America, it is very difficult to claim that the people were benefited. From the very beginning until the present day, the Latin American Catholic Church has invariably supported the power structure and has used its control over the poor and uneducated to further the power structure's goals. I know Mexico best so I will use it as examples. The war for independence began when Father Hidalgo called for the people to rise up against Spain, el Grito. The Spanish captured him and since he was a priest, they were reluctant to execute him so the Church accomodated the Spainiards by excommunicating him so he could be beheaded.

Nowadays the PAN, the ruling political party, has very close ties between the business class and Opus Dei and the Yunques (The military arm of Opus Dei.) The party itself began before WWII when the Catholic Church and the business class banded together to resist the revolution that returned governance to the people after the Catholic Church sponsored dictatorship of Porfirio Diaz. So from the beginning to right now, the CC has invariably chosen to sacrifice the well-being of the people to the power of the well off. Why would you expect Pope Ratzinger to change?

He has called a move to indigenous religions a step backwards. If anything, I would consider it a step sideways if not forward.

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» RE: Brazilian Catholicism Posted by: Lauren
Truelass
Posted by: Truelass on Jun 19, 2007 2:15 AM   
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The Catholic church is responsible for ignorance and poverty in Latin America and the Pope hasn't a clue about the problems that his ignorance causes He should stick to something he knows about, like side-stepping celibacy and the art of masterbation.

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For those that insist that Hitler was NOT a Catholic...
Posted by: ShrubtheWarcriminal on Jun 19, 2007 4:17 AM   
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What a crock! Hitler was a Roman Catholic, baptized into that religio-political institution as an infant in Austria. He became a communicant and an altar boy in his youth, and was confirmed as a "soldier of Christ" in that church. The worst doctrines of that church never left him. He was steeped in its liturgy, which contained the words, "perfidious Jew." This hateful statement was not removed until 1961.

In his day, hatred of Jews was the norm. In great measure it was sponsored by the two major religions of Germany, Catholicism and Lutheranism. He greatly admired Martin Luther, who openly hated the Jews. Luther condemned the Catholic Church for its pretensions and corruption, but he supported the centuries of papal pogroms against the Jews. Luther said, "The Jews deserve to be hanged on gallows seven times higher than ordinary thieves," and "We ought to take revenge on the Jews and kill them." "Ungodly wretches" he calls the Jews in his widely read Table Talk.

Hitler seeking power, wrote in Mein Kampf. "... I am convinced that I am acting as the agent of our Creator. By fighting off the Jews. I am doing the Lord's work." Years later, when in power, he quoted those same words in a Reichstag speech in 1938.

Three years later he informed General Gerhart Engel: "I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so." He never left the church, and the church never left him. Great literature was banned by his church, but his miserable Mien Kampf never appeared on the Index of Forbidden Books.

He was not excommunicated or even condemned by his church. Popes, in fact, contracted with Hitler and his fascist friends Franco and Mussolini, giving them veto power over whom the pope could appoint as a bishop in Germany, Spain and Italy. The three thugs agreed to surtax the Catholics of their countries and send the money to Rome in exchange for making sure the state could control the church.

Those who would make Hitler an atheist should turn their eyes to history books before they address their pews and microphones.

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Anyone else...
Posted by: JoshuaLudd on Jun 19, 2007 6:52 AM   
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Anyone else think that the guy getting close to the pope a few days ago just calls to mind the old Bill Hicks joke... that thefact that the emissary on earth of an all-powerful and omniscient god.... has to bounce around in a car with a big bulletproof bubble on it is the greatest display of faith ever.

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» Very Sad Posted by: Gravitas
Their Only Christian By Name
Posted by: gmandukey on Jun 19, 2007 11:12 AM   
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We are in such a sad state that Catholic's think, and others do too, that they are Christians. Like all religion, they to have their roots in idolatry. They take a little truth from the Bible and build a system upon it. Then another group takes another truth and build upon that. All the while creating a religion and truth that suits them. That is not Christianity. Neither is killing or persecuting in God's name.

The Lord said you will know a Christian by his fruits, his love for one another. I say to the modern day church of Laodicea you better get back into the Bible, you better get back to Jesus. You will be judged!

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What a d*ck
Posted by: YogiBear on Jun 20, 2007 6:07 PM   
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